innoculation warning

[jimmys devoted]

there will be a new warning on some innoculations for parents.
According to FDA and clincal studies, some innoculations seem to ave a connection to immunosystem problems causing diabetes.
Since one caus eof daiabetes iiiins an autoimmune disoprder, some innocuatiosn may cause a reaction that can create diabetes or aggrivate a potential for it.

This shoud in no way prevent parents frm getting innoculations for tehir children. And teh incidence is no higher tha a fall, car accident, or other illness causing MODY. Buttheer is a slight potential for it and thsi willnow be in pateint information.

[destiny]

there will be a new warning on some innoculations for parents. According to FDA and clincal studies, some innoculations seem to ave a connection to immunosystem problems causing diabetes.


Wow, this is not just some "little" thing! I wonder why there hasn't been more media coverage about it? That sounds like something very big and vital!

[Team Diabetes]

MODY is a genetic disorder that can't be prevented.

Some people think autoimmune diseases like Type 1 diabetes can be triggered by vaccines, but we have to look at this idea logically.

First of all, Type 1 diabetes can only develop in someone who has the genes for it. Everyone with autoimmune T1 diabetes has the genes for it, even if they don't have a family history. We can test for those genes. Not everyone who has the genes for it gets it. It is a much greater risk to allow your child to probably get mumps as opposed to the chance that they *might*get T1. There is no evidence to prove this.

The second thing is, if the vaccine causes T1, wouldn't the actual VIRUS it is created from cause Type 1 in the same child anyway? Meaning, if the child without the vaccination got the virus and had no protection, they would get Type 1 anyway?

Lastly, Type 1 diabetes has been around for thousands of years, and vaccines only in the last 100 or so.

I think the evidence for this is weak.

[bra]

How did they find out about the vaccines having a potential for aggravating it? Does this mean that it can quicken the onset of the disease and it's a disease they were going to wind up with anyway, or does it mean that the disease can be triggered because they have the gene and the vaccine will trigger it where as otherwise they may have not have had the disease progress in their systems?

Okay I know what I'm trying to ask, but I'm having a hard time putting it in to words. Hope you can figure out what I'm asking, sorry. :confused:

[Team Diabetes]

Nobody knows. From the current research, vaccines have actually proven to be safe.

IF vaccines WERE to trigger Type 1 diabetes, then yes, it would only happen in those with the genes for it. It would act like a trigger or accelerator.

The same thing in theory would happen if the person with those same genes got the actual virus as opposed to the vaccine.

So, in theory the risk is a bit higher with the vaccine than the CHANCE the child may get the virus, but no studies have ever proven that vaccines increase the risk of T1.

We can't forget that we don't know the actual triggers for Type 1, and what they may be. There may be a combination of factors, and a virus is only a small part.

I would hate to see an unvaccinated child develop T1 anyway, then die of polio, is what I am trying to say.

[jimmys devoted]

Also,, many people who develope mono in their youth and teh damage that it does to the immuno system can cause diabetes. personally id rather have diabetes and MS as a result......

[jimmys devoted]

One vaccine that should be considerd is the meningioccal meningitis vaccine for college bound students.
the necrotic meningitis that causes massive multiple amputations is worth more than teh risk of diabetes. I mean consider the laternatives ot not getting the vaccine......
Ill take my chances

[Team Diabetes]

Also,, many people who develope mono in their youth and teh damage that it does to the immuno system can cause diabetes. personally id rather have diabetes and MS as a result......

Yeah, there are many viruses that are thought to trigger Type 1.Coxsackie and enteroviruses are 2 big candidates. If you have the genetic disposition, really ANY virus may trigger it, in theory. Nobody really knows! That's why we have no cure! There may also be multiple causes in different people.

Yeah, it's too bad we don't have a vaccine for mono! It's horrible! Oh well....ces't la vie!

The good news is, no matter what, Type 2 and MODY diabetic's children are not at any higher risk for diabetes from vaccines or viruses! Since most people are not Type 1's, this is good for like 90% of diabetics.

People can do what they want with vaccines, but the risk I think is much smaller that someone will get Type 1 than get severely ill/die from a virus. I agree on that.

[Team Diabetes]

One vaccine that should be considerd is the meningioccal meningitis vaccine for college bound students.
the necrotic meningitis that causes massive multiple amputations is worth more than teh risk of diabetes. I mean consider the laternatives ot not getting the vaccine......
Ill take my chances


I am with you on that one! What's worse...missing a pancreas...or all 4 limbs!!!?

[Britjojo]

There is some striking misinformation in this thread regarding vaccines, but I am not ready in my first post here to get into that debate. What I did want to address is the reason why vaccines may cause what the virus won't.

There are two 'parts' to a functioning immune system-two methods of attack known as TH1 and TH2. A virus entering the body will trigger a TH1 response-the system normally associated with inflammatory response.

Vaccines act by a different method. They bypass the normal responses of the body by going directly into the blood stream, and they activate the other side of the immune response-TH2. This is the side that is associated with autoimmune disease and allergy and is on this increase. It is caused by over stimulation of the immune system by vaccination.


“The implications of skewing the Th1/Th2 immunity is explained simply by Hilary Butler, a vaccine researcher. She explains - 'The Th1 system is the "search and destroy" defense of the body and "sets in motion a clear sequence of events which have the focus of 'find that thing, collect it, show us what it is and at the same time destroy it".
The Th2 is the other side of the linking circle. It is called humoral immunity, and takes place further down the line than cellular (Th1) immunity. About the same time as the Th1 immune system is surrounding, killing and getting rid of the problem, particles of the 'problem' are being presented to the cells which make antibodies. In order for there to be a long-lasting antibody response, there must be a strong Th1 response. These immune responses work hand-in-hand, but a healthy immune system is Th1 focused, since "search and destroy" is the most needed capacity of the immune system in every day life.
'Vaccines injected into babies do not in any way, shape or form resemble an inhaled or swallowed germ because they are changed, attenuated, and injected as multi-antigens into the body. Consequently, because of the by-passing of the Th1 branch of the system there is over-stimulation of the Th2 branch, which teaches the body to be in a chronically reactive mode. People who have allergies, asthma and auto-immune disease have what is known as a Th2-skewed immune system.'
Source; http://www.informedparent.co.uk/info/tabid/60/portalid/2/dnn404/1/Default.aspx

This is why vaccines are more likely to cause an autoimmune condition than a virus is.

[Team Diabetes]

I do agree there are some valid points here, but I need to be skeptical. For instance the "hygiene hypothesis" has also been a Type 1 diabetes theory for the past little while, but nothing concrete has been proven.

Note that I am not trying to disagree with you here, just stating my observations. I do not want to dismiss any possible explanations, but I do want to be careful of sources and where the info comes from.

The problem I have is this:

a) Type 1 diabetes has existed for thousands of years, and certainly prior to vaccinations for sure. Since in many cases children with undiagnosed Type 1 died of "the flu", we have no way to no how many cases there really were. Also, Type 1 diabetics could not usually successfully procreate until recently. Better diagnosis and successful reproduction could account for at least part of any perceived increase in cases.

It's entirely possible vaccines may increase the number of cases further, but we also need to look at other possible triggers and changes in our environment as well, such as an increase in gluten and casein consumption.

Do we have any twin studies that show that identical twins both prone to Type 1 diabetes *both* developed it after vaccination? This may be a good place to start, since they have identical DNA and very similar environments.

b) People still develop Type 1 diabetes prior to vaccinations, and it can develop in those who have never been vaccinated.

c) People tend to develop Type 1 diabetes after exposure to an actual *virus* , not a vaccination.

d) Since Type 1 diabetes is overall not that common, most people simply do not have the genes to develop it. Thus, there is a higher risk they could get a serious (preventable) viral illness vs Type 1 diabetes (0% risk) if not vaccinated.

I do agree that interesting points here are made, and perhaps those with a family history of autoimmune conditions may want to speak to their doctor about forgoing any "unneeded" vaccinations.

However, some I think are worth the risk. I don't mind if Justin Timberlake brings "Sexy Back", but I doubt most of us feel the same way about Polio. There is also a new vaccine that can prevent some strains of HPV, a virus linked to an increased risk of cervical cancer.

I think a blanket "vaccines are good/bad" approach here is not the best way to examine this.

[Cassy]

Im not a fan of vaccines and never have been. They don't make any sense to me. You are suppose to get vaccines to prevent you from getting the "certain sickness" but in turn you get the same symptoms that you would get if you wouldn't have gotten it. It makes no sense to me.

[manojjonam10]

There will be always be some untested side effects which happen due to inoculations.It will be best to keep track on the information and thanks for posting the information.

[KrisNY]

I think the evidence is weak as well. I think people are trying to come up with why we should not get our children immunized - from autism to diabetes now.

I think we need to make sure our kids are immunized.